this is a party that has become divorced from any sort of science or research or data and if they are going to win back the trust of the american people, if they are going to come up with anything that offer as real solution to the country's problems, they have to show that what they want to do squares with creating positive results in some sort of a meaningful way. >> but that's the point that i'm making. i'm not even saying, become like those of us that disagree with you. >> right. >> but show me your plan that comes to a result. >> right. >> that will help eradicate poverty, or help african-americans or latinos or women. >> there's no real evidence. >> but give me your way and tell me why it would lodgely do that. i mean, you look at roll call, the stewart rothenberg. he wrote an article about the gop, joan, and he told me this. i recently asked a smart veteran republican pollster what his party could do to turn his party around in the near future and his response was refreshingly honest. nothing. the republican brand will improve, he continued, only when the president screws up. h